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heart, that her presence is still here. her legacy gets to be that she still is here in this world, changing this world, and making a difference. that's all for this edition of "dateline." i'm natalie morales. thank you for watching. first up on msnbc. [ cheers and applause ] first responders cheering on capitol hill police officer, kenny shaver. identified for the first time following his release from of the hospital. he was hurt in the attack on the capitol that left one officer dead after a driver rammed into a security checkpoint. >> major-league baseball caved
to fear, and lies from liberal activists. georgians and all americans should know what this decision means. it means, cancel culture and partisan activists are coming for your business. the battle over voting rights heating up. georgia governor brian kemp ripping into major league baseball fwor moving its all-star game out of the state in protest of its new restrictive voting law. and new overnight, state republicans go on a cancel-culture tare of their own. this, as more republican-led states are considering similar measures, and pressure is mounting on corporate america to take a stand. day six of testimony in the derek chauvin murder trial kicks off tomorrow, with arguably, the most critical witness taking the stand. the minneapolis-police chief. how far will he go, over the blue line, in his testimony against one of his own? and the race to vaccinate children. we will speak to a 13-year-old about why he decided to be a part of pfizer's trial on kids. good morning.
it is sunday, april 4th. happy easter, everybody. i'm lindsey reiser. >> i'm kendis gibson. we are live from msnbc world headquarters, in new york. been taking a look at pictures overnight at the vatican, where they are celebrating easter. you can see, the pontiff right there. it's also the first, full day in italy where they reenter covid-lockdown restrictions. the service that has been taking place over the last couple of hours has been very socially distant. they did it, as well, last easter. we're going to have a live report from that area, a little bit later on. we also have a team of reporters spread out, across the u.s., following the latest on today's stories. we begin in washington, where capitol police officer kenny shaver was just released from the hospital. >> yeah, he was injured in the attack when a car rammed into a police barricade just outside capitol hill. another officer was killed, as a result. we have nbc's amanda golden, on capitol hill, this morning, with the very latest for us. amanda. >> good morning, kendis, and lindsey. yes. exclusive, new video obtained by
capitol hill producer, alex mo, shows officer kenny shaver as he was exiting the hospital, being released as you noted after he was injured in that attack. and you can see his fellow officers standing around cheering for him, clapping as he gets out of a wheelchair, wearing a leg brace on his left leg, i believe. and then, continues to walk towards the car, with everyone cheering around him. but this does come, as you noted, a fellow police officer, officer billy evans was killed during that attack and he was an 18-year veteran of the capitol police force, including a member of the first-responders unit for the capitol-police unit. and so, this all comes, as there are continued investigations into the incident that took place on friday. and we are getting some new details about the suspect. that's 25-year-old noah green. he was a resident of virginia, we have learned. he also had some very troubling social-media posts that law-enforcement officials have been reviewing that point to some mental-health issues. it was also, noted he is a follower of the nation of islam
and that is designated a hate group by the southern poverty law center, that does not follow the traditional teachings of the religion of islam. but that also comes as there is renewed focus on capitol-hill security. and as we know, a lot of changes that have taken place in light of the insurrection that happened on january 6th. things were starting to feel more normal here, around the complex. that's now coming into question, with a lot of that exterior fencing coming down with a renewed focus on where the priorities should be. and congressman seth molden spoke to that on our air just yesterday. >> we need to, dramatically, improve security around the capitol. and we can get to a point, i'm confident speaking a marine veteran, we can get to a point where the capitol can be safe and the fence is not required. but we, often, guarded targets against much-greater threats in iraq, with less-physical protection. but that's because we were active-duty united states marines. we have got to get the capitol police the training and resources to get to that place.
>> so there is tension there is certainly playing out on capitol hill of wanting the complex to be accessible to the public, wanting it to be the people's house, where folks can usually come through and meet with representatives and tour the great facilities that are here. but as, wanting to keep it safe and nbc news has learned there is a supplemental funding bill that is starting to work its way through congress that would bolster security throughout the complex here. amanda golden for us on capitol hill. thank you. we will turn now to the growing battle over voting rights. a group of georgia house republicans is cancelling coca-cola. they are saying pepsi is okay. after the company's ceo spoke out against the state's new-restrictive voting law. take a look. asking for all coke products be removed from their offices. and governor brian kemp remains defiant, vowing not to back down. >> i want to be clear. i will not be backing down from this fight.
major-league baseball, coca-cola, and delta, may be scared of stacey abrams, joe biden, and the left, but i am not. >> so does this corporate backlash, including major league baseball pulling their all-star game out of atlanta serve as a warning to other states right now that are considering their own, restrictive voting bills? we are joined now by greg to discuss, he is a political reporter for the atlanta journal constitution. and eric mitchell, sports analyst and president of life foot media. greg, we will start with you. and you write the georgia house speaker recently admitted what no georgian would ever conceive of. he cracked open a pepsi. you also write georgia house republicans voted to strip delta of its tax break. of course, that later stalled in the senate. but is it enough to cause them to backtrack, or maybe scare others from speaking out? >> that's the goal for -- for these republican supporters of this law is to send, kind of, a
shot across the ballot. these -- these major-atlanta that get incentives like delta does, and so republicans the last day of the session just a few days ago in the georgia capitol wanted to send that message to republican law -- to delta, to coke, and to other companies that are still on the sidelines. basically, not to come out against this legislation. or else, they could risk -- risk some blow back from state lawmakers. >> next thing you know, they will bring back freedom fries from 20 years ago. eric, in the meantime, how did major league baseball, that announcement, land in the world of sports? do you kind of expect others to follow suit? >> absolutely. this is -- this is going to continue if these other states want to do it. and keep in mind, texas is already planning on doing this. and american airlines, who is based in dallas, already came out with a statement they do not support any measures that copy anything like georgia is doing. and which i find is ironic is governor kemp just did that
whole photo shoot yesterday and speaking out against stacey abrams. who by the way, did come out and said she didn't agree with it because of the impact it was going to have on the atlanta area and the businesses and everything. at least this time, he had a little bit of everybody in the photo with him besides doing it behind closed doors, when he was signing the bill. so, it's interesting that he is a brave, little toaster on friday and saturday. but this isn't going to affect the other places. and like arizona, the players are all going to stand up for this. voter suppression isn't anything these athletes are going to stay silent about. >> well, and eric, one event that's not moving is the masters tournament. it's going to still be held in atlanta this week. and pga of america said they are not going to move it because of their financial commitment to charity and the local community there. but they also say it shouldn't be construed as indifference, here. but what's behind the decision for pga not to move the masters? and how is it being received? >> you know, the masters is different. we are talking short notice, the masters is. this bill was passed a week ago.
and here we are, sitting a week before it happens. >> it was passed a week ago but it had been discussed, before. a lot of people saying, too little, too late for these people. >> they waited too long. and i guess, pga, from what i am hearing there, it was too difficult to do. they have a commitment. and pga is different. i mean, we haven't seen the pga stand up for very much, when it comes to social justice. we haven't seen the major league baseball do this, until just now. this is a first for them. they have been embedded in their own scandals with cheating and performance-enhancing drugs if we remember from just a few years ago. stand with their friends over at the nba and nfl. this is -- the pga is doing their own thing but again, i am going to back and believe that major league baseball is the one that affects more of this fight. and you are going to see it, now, with the nfl, with the atlanta falcons but you have two other states that have a lot of big sports. and a lot of everything going on in their community. to see them come back and they are going to be watching what is
going on in georgia. and georgia probably shouldn't take this aggressive stance that they are taking towards all of these folks because a lot of people agree. and the athletes aren't going to tolerate it. but keep in mind, this. we are talking about the atlanta area and georgia and hank aaron, right? hank aaron passed. the all-star game is going to honor him. remember, in georgia his life was threatened and death threats as the man was breaking babe ruth's record, he had to deal with tons of racial threats going on. so this is kind of ironic we are talking about this. >> it is kind of ironic but let's talk about the messaging, greg, because you are down there and you know what is winning. the republicans are framing the backlash as an example of cancel culture. but you actually have the lieutenant governor, himself, of georgia, who kind of -- understanding why these companies are pulling out. and you have seen diverging statements from the opposite side of the political spectrum, including presidents obama and president trump. former-president trump saying
don't go back to their products until they relent. and former-president obama, congratulations to mlb for taking a stand on behalf of voting rights for all citizens. who is winning this battle? >> yeah. this is -- this is a challenge that democrats are going to face, now. because republicans are going to try to pin this economic blow back squarely on democrats. democrats i feel like have been winning the narrative, overall, on the elections legislation for weeks now, in part, because republicans, themselves, passed a much-further, much-more restrictive bill that -- that -- that helped set the stage for the debate. but now, republicans are going to be saying that all these events that -- that might be this domino effect that might be facing georgia will be democrats' faults. democrats now are going to be under pressure, a little bit, to push back about that. and as -- as we have talked about, stacey abrams and other-leading democrats have opposed boycotts. stacey abrams, in particular, said boycotts are not necessary, yet. and she is, instead, urging
companies to speak out against legislation in other states that might be pending to -- to stop contributing to republicans who support this legislation. and to support federal-elections overhauls right now. but still, it's a tricky spot for democrats and as you heard, governor kemp is going to do everything he can to pin the blame on them. >> yeah. i mean, we have got similar bills right now, in arizona and florida. arizona. the super bowl is supposed to be there in 2023. miami, they are supposed to have the soccer-world cup in 2026. greg and eric, so happy to have you on, thanks for getting us started. week two of testimony after emotional accounts at the chauvin-murder trial. where do prosecutors go from here? our legal expert will aye weigh in. george floyd's brother, attorney ben crump, join jonathan capehart at 10:00 a.m. eastern. >> as we go to break, pope
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expecting a big day, tomorrow, in the derek chauvin murder trial, where we could see unprecedented testimony from the minneapolis-police chief. he is expected to testify, against chauvin, in a rare move that could be a powerful weapon in the prosecution's case. >> this comes after the department's most senior homicide detective called chauvin's actions totally unnecessary. msnbc correspondent, megan fitzgerald, joins us with the very latest now from minneapolis. megan. >> kendis, and lindsey, good morning to you. many legal analysts are calling last week a win for the prosecution. jurors heard some powerful, and at times, emotional testimony,
from bystanders, for example, who were watching on as george floyd took his last breath. many of them, testifying they felt helpless and filled with guilt, now. wishing that they could have done more. they heard from a paramedic, who testified that he thought george floyd was dead when he arrived on scene. then, he proceeded to check his pulse, even while derek chauvin was still kneeling on his neck. and then, of course, as you mentioned, that powerful testimony that came at the end of the week when we heard from those two high-ranking police officers, who testified that, in that 9 minutes and 29 seconds, the use of force was uncalled for. i want you to listen to that exchange between those officers and the prosecution. >> when mr. floyd was no longer offering up any resistance to the officers, they could have ended their restraint. >> and that was after he was handcuffed and on the ground, and no longer resistant? >> correct. >> what is your, you know, your view of that use of force,
during that time period? >> totally unnecessary. >> reporter: so, this week, we expect prosecutors to build on that momentum when they call, to the witness stand, the chief of the minneapolis-police department, who will likely be speaking more to policy, as well as answering questions about use of force. and then, we're going to hear from the chief-medical examiner, sometime next week, who conducted the autopsy on george floyd's body. he determined that the cause of death is homicide, which, of course, means something different than it does, inside the courtroom. essentially, meaning that it was someone else that contributed to the death of george floyd. so certainly, a lot to expect this week, which is expected to be another, big week in this trial. guys, back to you. >> yeah, megan, that medical examiner's testimony, while very scientific, it will be very key, in this case. thank you, really appreciate it. i do want to bring in, in the meantime, david schultz now, who is a law professor at the university of minnesota. david, thank you for being here.
as we know, minneapolis police chief arradondo is set to testify and prosecutor jerry blackwell says that he is going to tell us that chauvin's conduct was not in line with the department's training. and that, he will say that this was excessive force. what could this testimony, from the police chief, actually mean for a prosecution? >> well, this is critical for the prosecution because if they can show that what derek chauvin did was not consistent with policy. it was outside of the scope of what he was supposed to be doing, this takes a long direction of showing that, neither, by state law, nor by, essentially, by supreme-court doctrine, does he -- is he entitled to what's called qualified immunity. and therefore, his actions went beyond what is considered acceptable. and it helps establish, perhaps, some of the elements necessary to show a criminal conviction. critical point, here. it takes him out of the protection of the law, and potentially, into criminal behavior. >> it does seem, to me, as if it
gets them around something that they can't tell the jury. they can't tell the jury that all of these officers were fired because of their actions, just days after floyd's death. but in essence, if you have the police chief, that is going there and saying, this isn't our policy. it's -- would seem to be the same thing, right? >> it's essentially the same thing, and it tells the jury that derek chauvin and, in this case, was essentially going rogue. was essentially, again, acting beyond what his scope of legal authorization is. because, remember, what everybody has to understand here is that, by state law, officers are authorized to use force. and the u.s. supreme court has granted police officers something called qualified immunity, which is found in the law. if they can show that this was not acceptable practice, this is not what a reasonable-police officer would have done, in that situation. that takes them beyond the legal protections that he is entitled to have. and that is very, very important to the prosecution's case to
break this qualified and statutory immunity. that's been the bar to get police convictions, in the past. >> we keep talking about how big of a testimony this will be because it really is a rare move for an officer, a police chief, to testify against one of his own. knowing, as crossing the blue line of silence, there. what is the significance, you would say, you would put to this? >> well, significance is exactly correct. usually, cities and police departments are defending their police officers. here, they have really, sort of, ostracized and made him as an outlier. and the fact that we are seeing this is a break not just with minneapolis but i am going to say this, potentially, represents a major break, let us say, nationwide, in terms of how, perhaps, police departments and police chiefs are no longer willing to defend their officers, in situations like this. if this were to happen, this is significant towards looking at, let us say, and let's say, organizational reform of police departments, especially in
minneapolis, which has had a long history of problems, in terms of police use of excessive force. >> minneapolis police department head of homicide detective also condemned chauvin's actions. listen to this. >> what is your, you know, your view of that use of force, during that time period? >> totally unnecessary. >> so, in your opinion, should that restraint have stopped, once he was handcuffed and prone, on the ground? >> absolutely. >> how could the defense counter these statements? >> what the defense is going to have to do, at this point, is still try to argue that, despite what they claim, that this was accepted-real practice what was going on here. and they are going to bring in their own experts, across the country, and talk about how, under this situation. given the fact that -- and this is what the defense tried to do, this first week. to show this was an unsettled situation, where there was lots of things going on. the officers, perhaps, felt threatened by the crowd.
perhaps, felt threatened by george floyd. they're going to try to show that this was a reasonable procedure, given the moment in time that the -- that the -- the officer had to make decisions. it's a tough thing to do but that's what they're going to try to do. >> and -- and, david, i'm curious about something. this is a really minor point, but something that i have noticed while watching the trial. throughout the trial, all of the prosecutors have been mispronouncing chauvin's name. they've been calling him chauvin. knowing, very well, how it is pronounced. could that possibly be some sort of prosecutorial tactic, to kind of make him an everyday man, as opposed to the french pronunciation of that name? >> it's possible. i mean, it's always hard to, sort of, read into something like that. but it's certainly possible that, across the board, that they're doing small, subtle things to try to influence the jury. and that could be one. or it could just, simply, be the fact that their script that they are playing from has it being
pronounced that way. really not sure but it's an interesting thing i noted, too, in terms of the fact they should know his name, by now. >> yeah, no doubt, absolutely. which is why one of those -- i know there are different, little games that prosecutors and the defense will play. in the meantime, chauvin has been taking notes, the whole time. not sure that he is really taking notes but just kind of being distracted from looking at the witnesses, as such. i really appreciate your time, david, thank you. >> no problem. my pleasure. thank you. david schultz. >> last year, it was the coronavirus epicenter. today, we are taking you back to italy for the second-vatican easter of the pandemic. plus, how americans have kept the faith over the past year. at philadelphia, we know what makes the perfect schmear of cream cheese. the recipe we invented over 145 years ago and me...the world's best, and possibly only, schmelier. philadelphia. schmear perfection. age is just a number.
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people to shift their relationship with their faith. nbc news correspondent, kevin tibbles spoke with some search leaders and parishioners about their beliefs and safety. >> reporter: rejoice. a new spring and new hope. >> i cried, when i saw a lot of folks that i hadn't seen in a long time. >> reporter: the church reawakened. >> my relationship with god has gotten, very much, stronger. >> that is our experience. >> reporter: after a year in pandemic wilderness, holding services, remotely. places of worship now, slowly, safely, welcome back their flock, socially distanced. 76% of churchgoers say they, now, would feel comfortable returning to the pews. >> it was a blessing to see so many people, right here, in the church, again. >> reporter: but in texas, despite the state's reopening, dr. joe ratliff continues
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friday's deadly attack on the capitol. being released from the hospital. let's listen as his loved ones cheer him on. [ cheers and applause ] >> officer kenny shaver was rolled out in that wheelchair, to applause from a crowd that gathered outside the hospital. another officer, william evans was killed after the attacker rammed his car into a checkpoint. his death and the entire incident raising questions about the safety of the u.s. capitol and its officers. joining me now, is michigan congressman, andy liven. congressman, good morning, thank you for being with us. >> hey, good morning. great to be with you. >> you know, it's been almost -- just a few months since the insurrection. there's been another attack here, on the capitol. the force has lost another officer. congress wasn't in session, at the time. and -- and normally, this would be school kids around.
a lot of tourists checking out the house, and really the entire capitol here. what do you want to see done to increase security? >> you know, we are so upset about the injury and the full-out loss of life of our capitol police officers, who are so brave, and protect us, every day. we still need to learn a lot about this incident. and if it's a lone-wolf incident, where someone rams their car into people and a barrier at the outside of the perimeter. that, i don't think more fences or anything will help that. i really do think that -- that -- that the group that the speaker put together to make recommendations was right. that we need to beef up the intelligence capabilities of the capitol police. so we need to see that done, right now, so we have more visibility into possible assaults, like this. >> yeah. >> it shows that this hatred of our democracy, and our government and the people who
protect us is alive, and ill out there. and we've got to combat it with everything we have. >> yeah. investigators haven't determined a motive, yet. but the -- not only a rapid-response team but that intelligence portion were among lieutenant general russel honore's recommendations. i want to get your take on another story this week. some of your colleagues are calling on matt gaetz to resign. justice department reportedly investigating whether he had sex with a 17-year-old and paid for her to travel with him. here is what congressman seth molten had to say about that. >> these are very serious allegations and if they are proven, he doesn't just need to be removed from congress or from a committee, as some people are calling for. he needs to go to prison. and he shouldn't serve on the prison-library committee, let alone the house-judiciary committee. this is disgusting. will it impact his work? i mean, frankly, he is not a very productive member of cop
guess, in the first place. he just tries to go around supporting donald trump. >> he hasn't been charged. he denies the allegations against him. but, congressman, where do you stand on this? >> well, this investigation was started, under the trump administration. this is no witch hunt. this is a very serious criminal investigation of charges that would put a person in jail for a long -- in prison for a long time. these sex-trafficking allegations are superserious. and the revelations, since then. i mean, people can joke around about it on "saturday night live" but this is gross and, you know, really inappropriate behavior for anybody on a city council or a state legislature, much less the u.s. congress. also, this is a guy, whose main activity in congress is to be a little apologizer for donald trump. i was there, in the chamber, late at night when matt gaetz came back, amidst the broken
glass and freshly swabbed up blood, and he said, oh, no, those people out there weren't real supporters of donald trump. that was antifa. >> yeah. >> i mean, we witnessed it, with our own eyes, lindsey. this is someone, who has not a strong connection to the truth. tell you that much. and so, obviously, if -- if the stuff is true, he needs to go. and he is going to go to prison, not just out of the congress. >> all right, congressman andy levin. thank you for being with us this morning and i know the cases in your home state are skyrocketing right now of covid-19. i hope everyone stays safe and it turns around quickly. thank you. >> thanks so much. take care. take me out to the ball game. with a stadium full of fans? it's basically a foreign concept, nowadays. but tomorrow, one major-league baseball team will be the first in all of major sports to host fans, at full capacity.
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we're back, now, with an update on the rapper dmx. the hip-hop legend remains on life support this morning. we learned that news overnight. unable to breathe on his own. his lawyer says he suffered a heart attack late-friday night. the grammy-nominated rapper, whose real name is earl simmons, was in grave condition over the last 48 hours. at one point, medical staff had to resuscitate him. fellow rappers, including eminem, offering prayers and support. it is opening weekend for america's favorite pastime but the pandemic has already complicated things. the washington nationals were forced to cancel their
entire-first series against the mets after four players tested positive for covid. and there's controversy, over how many fans should be in the stands. msnbc's gary grumbach is in philadelphia outside the citizens bank park. so, gary, fans are going to start showing up there, in just a few hours. how full will that ballpark be? >> good morning, lindsey. yeah. about 8,800 fans will be showing up. that's about 20% of capacity here. and that varies stadium, to stadium. but it really does feel like we are rounding third and heading towards home on this pandemic but there are still signs of coronavirus eneverywhere around here, literally, signs. of philly's frontline heroes. and as you mentioned, down in washington, four nationals players tested positive for coronavirus and that led to the nationals cancelling their entire opening-weekend series against the new york mets. as you mentioned, attendance
varies stadium to stadium, depending where you are. if you are down in texas at the rangers game tomorrow against the blue jays in arlington, you will be there with 40,000 of your closest friends. president biden called that a mistake. here, in philly, as we mentioned, about 8,800 people. about-20% of capacity. but no matter where you are, when you head into the stadium, things are going to look a little bit different. seating is all based on pod seating so, it's, you are no more than three-or-four feet away from anybody else in the stadium. you are also have mobile ticketing and mobile-food ordering. so, everything happens on your smartphone. you can order and pick up the food at the concession stand. and, of course, masks. masks have been something that have been a real point of contention, both, here in sports leagues and in real life across -- across the country. here's what the washington nationals said what they are going to do about enforcement of the mask policy. >> if we see somebody without wearing a mask, we are going to go up to them and tell them, hey, please, put your mask on. if they're in an area, they're not supposed to be standing and eating or drinking, we are going
to ask them. please, return back to your pod. we really don't want to get into a combative situation, at all. we want this to be a happy time. back in nats park for baseball. there will be a limit that, you know, we will make sure that, if someone is not doing the proper thing. that we'll -- we'll make sure they get escorted out, we get i squared out because we want the other fans to feel safe and enjoy the environment here. >> reporter: now, back here in philly, even though folks have 100 million shots in arms so far, more than that, you know, officials are still telling us that eventses like this, holidays like easter and memorial day could see further spikes. they're ready to play ball here. first pitch is at 1:05 against the braves. >> we have to be careful but, boy, all of us want a normal day going to the ballpark, getting some cracker jacks. thank you. >> as a former mets fan, we'll take that as a win. the game canceled, yes. we didn't lose. >> you're a lot of talk. they start doing well and you're
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pfizer. that the vaccine is 100% preventive in preventing covid in children younger than 18, including caleb chung who took part in that study. he says it was his way of helping out. >> joining us is his dad, a pediatrician. caleb, happy birthday. you turned 13 friday. >> morning. thank you. >> caleb, tell us about why you wanted to participate in the trial. >> well, i wanted to participate in the trial to mainly help out in the fight against the virus and to help other people feel more confident in the safety of the vaccines. also as an asian-american, to represent the people in my community, especially during the pandemic. >> caleb, you're still not sure whether or not you got the placebo or the real vaccine. after you got your shot, how did
you feel afterwards? >> well, the day after i was experiencing some side effects like headache, fatigue, arm pains and other sorts of small symptoms but nothing really serious, so we're thinking that could be a sign that i might have gotten the actual shot hopefully. >> doctor, you're a pediatrician but also a parent, so tell us how you felt with caleb going through with this. >> sure. we heard about the trial opportunity in early december. actually from some colleagues here at duke who are helping to run this part of the trial and knowing caleb, of course, was in that 12 to 15-year-old age group. it was something that caught my attention. you know, we brought back information to caleb, wanted him to really drive that decision. he had known a little about clinical trials just from science class and other basic information but hadn't yet had an opportunity to participate in
one. after a couple days it of thinking about it, he was really eager and wanted to participate because, you know, this pandemic has been front and center for all of us, so as a young person being cooped up in online school, not having a lot of opportunity to do very concrete things to push back besideses wearing a mask and social distance, this was a golden opportunity and something he was excited about. >> caleb, you're part of history. you helped make a big difference. what was your reaction when you learned how effective the vaccine was four kids your age? >> well, that definitely made me feel hopeful and optimistic, because if it will said it was 100% effective in people around my age group and some who are older, so that really made me feel excited that soon possibly the vaccine would be publicly available for my age group. and then eventually i would get
what's called unblinded and they would tell me whether i got the real covid vaccine or the placebo and i would have the opportunity to get the real one if i did not the first time. >> well, we know that you're still probably going to be safe, socially distanced and masked, but i'll ask both of you, what are you most looking forward to doing now, caleb first and then your dad? >> well, i'm really excited to hopefully get back to in-person school in the fall and i'll be able to see many of my friends who i haven't been able to interact with over the course of the pandemic. and also doing my extracurricular activities in person, such as jujitsu and cello, which are difficult over zoom. >> did you tell your teachers you were going to be on msnbc? >> no. >> doctor, what about you, what are you looking forward to? >> yeah, i think so much. just getting back to a new
routine. we talk about a new normal because i think we've learned a lot about better ways of doing things, both in health care settings and otherwise. and i think having the opportunity to be back in the driver's seat, having control, not being under sort of the spectre of this pandemic and having to be driven by that infectious risk but, rather, doing the things we want to do, doing them maybe even more smartly nowadays. >> did caleb get a gift? >> a gift? >> yeah. no? >> for his birthday, yes. >> for doing the shot. >> oh, no. just a lot of love and praise. >> that is enough indeed. >> super proud of all the other kids. >> caleb, dr. richard chung, it was good to talk to you both. like kendis said, you're a part of history. thank you, both. >> thank you. we begin a new hour of msnbc right now. first up on msnbc, georgia's
governor brian kemp blasts major league baseball for moving its all-star game out of the state in protest of the new restrictive voting laws. >> in the middle of a pandemic, major league baseball put the wishes of stacy abram and joe biden ahead of the economic well-being of hard-working georgians who were counting on the all-star game for a paycheck. >> more republican-led states considering similar measures as corporate america faces pressure to take a public stand. former president donald trump in the midst of another controversy, explosive new details on how he took advantage of his own supporters while seeking donations for his 2020 presidential run. we're heading into day six of testimony in the derek chauvin trial tomorrow. the minneapolis police chief in a rare move, taking the stand against one of his own. and hunter biden opening up with heartbreaking new details